I googled "alternatives to marketing" and all I found were sites for companies that do brainmelting of the buzz, viral, and word-of-mouth variety. I did find this though. Shouldn't we stand up for ourselves a little bit better? Okay, I'm gonna post a long transcript taken from the Washington Post which I use as an avenue of ranting with the world, sorry to push the rest of the posts off of the page but I find it hilarious. If anyone has time to read this I especially loved the movie references, the Planet of the Apes and guess who's coming to dinner lines. As a bonus, insomnia-inspired links included by yours truly.
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I am suprised that Obama refuses to defend himself against charges of inexperience. In many ways it could be a plus. I can think of another president that built his reputation in the Illinois state legislature and never served as a US Congressman before becoming president. Interestingly, Obama preaches a similar message: "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:00 AM
Experience?
Every candidate in 2008 has ZERO experience in being President of the United States.
The closest occupation is probably candidate. Similar pressure and similar tasks: mobilizing public opinion, communications, managing a lot of money and people, building coalitions, persuasion.
The most successful candidate is probably the best qualified individual.
Posted by: mnjam January 7, 2008 12:03 AM
I agree with optimyst -- I am an Obama fan who is thrilled by the prospect of a truly inspirational and hope-filled candidate this fall and don't want to rub it in to the HRC supporters. But I am also dismayed by the number of HRC supporters who threaten that they'll desert the dems and vote for whoever the republicans put up should Obama be the nominee. I hate to say it, but that is emblematic of the kind of rhetoric and arrogant attitude that imbues HRC's campaign. I don't support her; I think her nomination would be divisive and result in yet one more republican president. But I would sure as heck vote for her over Huckabee et al. and I would never try to damage the future of this country because my ego (and candidate) had been bruised. Grow up people and stop the petty politics of fear and threats!
Posted by: Omyobama January 7, 2008 12:07 AM
For all those criticizing Obama for empty rhetoric, I encourage you to visit the issues section of his website. The policy paper pdfs are more numerous and more detailed than those on the Clinton site. While they're not as detailed what public policy professors would produce, one just can't expect that from a campaign. Please, just give them a look.
Posted by: jpc.murphy January 7, 2008 12:07 AM
I agree, the Democrats will loose. My self and many of my age group are not excited about having a man who has no shame in trying to run for an office he is not qualified for. In addition, he has a wife who jumps around like she is hip hopping while campaigning. If he was so hot, why did he need Oprah? Couldn't do it on his own!
He most definitly is more black than Oreo and it shows because he choose a wife who is black. Listen up, because when he becomes President, African Americans will not be arrested, they will empty the prisons and cause more crime than ever imagined. Our country will be like the "Planet of the apes".
Also, I do not think he is handsome, I agree that his ears are ugly like Dumbos...I think Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Andrew Jackson are rolling and squirming in their graves.
God Help us!
Posted by: genadoll January 7, 2008 12:07 AM
At long last, a chance for Americans to turn our country around and be proud again to be Americans, instead of ashamed!
I'm so excited that such an honest and ethical candidate has the audacity, optimism and energy to lead us out of this Bush/Cheney/Clinton hell-hole and into a much brighter future!
I'll never forget the day that Congress decided to shine the fact that Clinton had lied under oath. My God, the President of the United States did that; what did that say to our children and grandchildren? That day was the beginning of America's downward spiral, I believe. Now we have a chance to turn it around and carry on as a strong and decent country where no one is above the law, and where we care about each other and work together to solve the challenges that appear.
GO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!
Posted by: blisssusan88 January 7, 2008 12:09 AM
The Democratic debate yesterday caused me reluctantly to conclude Hillary Clinton is by far the most intelligent, most qualified, most articulate and most capable candidate for president. She has a depth of knowledge and an ability to make connections on all sorts of subjects that none of the others have. Obama is a flavor of the week. He is inexperienced in Washington, he has never managed anything in his life and he has nothing of substance to say. "Hope" and "change" are pretty words, but they mean little in real terms.
I'm reluctant to say I support Hillary because for the past year, I've resented her as the spouse of a former president. However, she makes it clear she is Bill's equivalent (if not superior) when it comes to intelligence and drive.
Posted by: peterlor January 7, 2008 12:09 AM
I continue to hear 35 years of experience. What 35 years? Before her run in the Senate she had been the wife of a President for 8 and 12 years as Governor of Arkansas. This doesn't prove anything and sure we share with our spouses about our jobs but that doesn't make them gain experience. Before that she was a lawyer and her only claim during her husbands tenure which was Health Care was a failure. So again 35 years keeps being mentioned but I don't see it. All I see is her Husband, Albright and all the old Clinton Guard by her side so for someone who says she is her own person her fall back is always to the success of her husband.
I have not made up my mind on who I'm voting for but that 35 years thing after researching is not true. My opinion.
Posted by: robinson.santiago January 7, 2008 12:13 AM
Racists like genadoll who claim that their "age group" is not ready to vote for Obama better be prepared to know that a much younger and more tolerant "age group" is preparing to replace a generation that proved it no longer had any shame in voting by reelecting Bush unequivocally. I am sorry that black people scare you so much unfortunately we now must sieze the country away from such living anachronisms as yourself. And we'll be "hip-hopping" the whole way, haha!
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:16 AM
Some have commented on the race aspect. It's not just a race thing, it's what the Republicans will do with this particular black man.
They're passing around a link to his church web site now on the internet, and if the MSM prints what that web site says, you can kiss the Democrats presidential hopes goodbye.
Someone posted the basics of it in the ABC blog similar to this one, so it's getting some air already.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:17 AM
what happens when Democrats wake up and realize that Barack Obama has never been in a major contested election. He won election to the Senate only after the Chicago Tribune knocked his opponent out of the race. A century ago Democrats had a great orator for a candidate, but William Jennings Bryan became a 3 time loser as a presidential candidate.
Only one Democrat has defeated a Republican without first serving as a governor or inheriting the presidency after the death or a president Barack Obama is no John F. Kennedy and his opponent won't be an incumbent vice president (only two of them have won in the last 200 years).
Obama is the best thing Republicans have going for him. His nomination could make it possible for Michael Bloomberg to become the first minor party candidate to win a presidential election since Lincoln.
Posted by: jalexson0 January 7, 2008 12:19 AM
Oh and by the way if we have the Andrew Jacksons rolling in their graves we must be doing something right...
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:19 AM
"But I would sure as heck vote for her over Huckabee et al."
Yeah, but I think they were saying McCain, not any Republican, and certainly not Huckabee.
McCain isn't generally thought of as possible to win the Republican nomination. He's too sensible.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:23 AM
Looking at these comments, I fear I am in the minority, but I am a lifelong Democrat who, like a couple others, sees a lack of specifics and a lack of experience with Obama. The partisan Republican party will not disappear this next election, nor will the conservative elements of the Democratic party, and I have no confidence he will be able to effectively deal with these elements in DC, particularly if the Dems don't get a filibuster proof 60 votes in the Senate.
I feel he has not been fully vetted by a critical press, and I hope that takes place over the next few weeks. Unlike some of you, I hope Clinton and Edwards stay in the race. I would have no problem going to the convention without a cler nominee.
Posted by: pctheisinger January 7, 2008 12:24 AM
Hillary held her own in the debate and proved that she is a fighter and will not be bullied. The White House is no place for sissies or pretty boys. The President needs to be a fighter, I'll put Hillary up against any world leader or threat that arises and know that she will not back down!
Posted by: jimscorner January 7, 2008 12:24 AM
About Clinton's "experience," she was a director of Wal-Mart during her husband's governorship of Arkansas. How can unions support a former director of one of the most anti-union companies on the planet, Wal-Mart? How could she have squared whatever principles she has to serving Wal-Mart?
Posted by: jabplus January 7, 2008 12:27 AM
The genadoll post above is racist crap, but God help us, it's just a tiny sampling of what;s to come throughout 2008 if Obama gets the nomination.
I'd almost say yeah go for Obama just because of those Republican racists but we would lose the presidential election.
At this point I guess I'm disgusted to have to draw such a conclusion. I would like to think the majority are better than that, and I truly hope we are.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:29 AM
deadondres --
I believe you said "I can think of another president that built his reputation in the Illinois state legislature and never served as a US Congressman before becoming president."
Abraham Lincoln served one term in the House of Representatives. I believe it was at the start of the Mexican-American War and he voted against it.
Posted by: pctheisinger January 7, 2008 12:29 AM
What is so tiresome about Hillary is the constant me, I, me, I. Obama soars in like an eagle and it's all about WE. Hillary does'nt get it and never will.
Posted by: diabloquick.wa January 7, 2008 12:30 AM
Ah, pctheisinger after further research I see that you're right. So only one term (although it seems he dropped out of politics for a while). So only one term in Congress, an even greater correlation. I appreciate the correction.
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:35 AM
I have no problem with Hillary, Obama, and Edwards splitting the vote well into the primaries. Everyone in the country needs to be heard.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:38 AM
I would rather lose with Obama than to win with Clinton. The rest of you need to get over it. GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER?
Posted by: rbaile January 7, 2008 12:41 AM
No, genadoll. God help YOU.
Posted by: tommit January 7, 2008 12:42 AM
RE: HRC
Unfortunately, sometimes become become like their enemies; HRC sounds more and more like the Republicans who attacked her ... negative, cynical, and petty
Posted by: davisny January 7, 2008 12:54 AM
Hey, I hate to sound like "What would Obama do" but those of us who support him should follow his example in being respectful and positive in our comments, not taunting or belittling. Read what he's written, listen to him speak...he is a great man and could lead and inspire our nation to be so much better than it is now.
Posted by: pjwright January 7, 2008 01:30 AM
Pjwright although I agree that taunting or belittling is hardly constructive, I can't buy into your WWOD philosophy. His optimism is uplifting to be sure, but the man is not Gandhi. I respect the man, he his upstanding surely but until he puts nonviolence at the forefront of his agenda I won't follow him unquestioningly. He hasn't really said anything that makes him any more decent or inspiring than many brave individuals I interact with in my everyday life. Politically the last three standing all strike me as largely the same, if we wanted something different we would have given figures such as Paul and Kucinich more of a chance. I mean, call me a simpleton but I really can't understand where they disagree on any major issue. What makes Obama different is he gives us the opportunity to quit considering ourselves "masses" that need to be lead by "leaders" such as a Clinton or Edwards - we can choose our own identity and shape our own destiny. It's an old notion but it's playing out in this election - power to the people! Let's not forget that we are capable of many things on our own, if we choose to actively participate in the institutions that guide our lives and are not content to passively allow our world to develop around us.
That being said Obama's idealism, I hope, will give rise to greater accomplishments and compromises. Electing the guy will not solve the tremendous problems facing our world that myself and all other young people I know obsess about on a daily basis. Eventually we're going to have to take a hard look at our habits and lifestyles and accept that they are not sustainable. However generating solidarity behind common values to work together to solve these problems is the first step and Obama sincerely proposes and embodies at least this much.
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 02:12 AM
I cut some of the boring comments out (not my own of course). Sorry about the pink links, if you see them it might be 'cause I'm using Explorer right now 'cause Firefox won't start. Or is that what it always does?
It's aweful how the "qualifications" arguement masks such racist and sexist assumptions. The Hillary and Obama cadres ought to drop that line of reasoning. Oh well gotta sleep now...
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I am suprised that Obama refuses to defend himself against charges of inexperience. In many ways it could be a plus. I can think of another president that built his reputation in the Illinois state legislature and never served as a US Congressman before becoming president. Interestingly, Obama preaches a similar message: "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:00 AM
Experience?
Every candidate in 2008 has ZERO experience in being President of the United States.
The closest occupation is probably candidate. Similar pressure and similar tasks: mobilizing public opinion, communications, managing a lot of money and people, building coalitions, persuasion.
The most successful candidate is probably the best qualified individual.
Posted by: mnjam January 7, 2008 12:03 AM
I agree with optimyst -- I am an Obama fan who is thrilled by the prospect of a truly inspirational and hope-filled candidate this fall and don't want to rub it in to the HRC supporters. But I am also dismayed by the number of HRC supporters who threaten that they'll desert the dems and vote for whoever the republicans put up should Obama be the nominee. I hate to say it, but that is emblematic of the kind of rhetoric and arrogant attitude that imbues HRC's campaign. I don't support her; I think her nomination would be divisive and result in yet one more republican president. But I would sure as heck vote for her over Huckabee et al. and I would never try to damage the future of this country because my ego (and candidate) had been bruised. Grow up people and stop the petty politics of fear and threats!
Posted by: Omyobama January 7, 2008 12:07 AM
For all those criticizing Obama for empty rhetoric, I encourage you to visit the issues section of his website. The policy paper pdfs are more numerous and more detailed than those on the Clinton site. While they're not as detailed what public policy professors would produce, one just can't expect that from a campaign. Please, just give them a look.
Posted by: jpc.murphy January 7, 2008 12:07 AM
I agree, the Democrats will loose. My self and many of my age group are not excited about having a man who has no shame in trying to run for an office he is not qualified for. In addition, he has a wife who jumps around like she is hip hopping while campaigning. If he was so hot, why did he need Oprah? Couldn't do it on his own!
He most definitly is more black than Oreo and it shows because he choose a wife who is black. Listen up, because when he becomes President, African Americans will not be arrested, they will empty the prisons and cause more crime than ever imagined. Our country will be like the "Planet of the apes".
Also, I do not think he is handsome, I agree that his ears are ugly like Dumbos...I think Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Andrew Jackson are rolling and squirming in their graves.
God Help us!
Posted by: genadoll January 7, 2008 12:07 AM
At long last, a chance for Americans to turn our country around and be proud again to be Americans, instead of ashamed!
I'm so excited that such an honest and ethical candidate has the audacity, optimism and energy to lead us out of this Bush/Cheney/Clinton hell-hole and into a much brighter future!
I'll never forget the day that Congress decided to shine the fact that Clinton had lied under oath. My God, the President of the United States did that; what did that say to our children and grandchildren? That day was the beginning of America's downward spiral, I believe. Now we have a chance to turn it around and carry on as a strong and decent country where no one is above the law, and where we care about each other and work together to solve the challenges that appear.
GO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!
Posted by: blisssusan88 January 7, 2008 12:09 AM
The Democratic debate yesterday caused me reluctantly to conclude Hillary Clinton is by far the most intelligent, most qualified, most articulate and most capable candidate for president. She has a depth of knowledge and an ability to make connections on all sorts of subjects that none of the others have. Obama is a flavor of the week. He is inexperienced in Washington, he has never managed anything in his life and he has nothing of substance to say. "Hope" and "change" are pretty words, but they mean little in real terms.
I'm reluctant to say I support Hillary because for the past year, I've resented her as the spouse of a former president. However, she makes it clear she is Bill's equivalent (if not superior) when it comes to intelligence and drive.
Posted by: peterlor January 7, 2008 12:09 AM
I continue to hear 35 years of experience. What 35 years? Before her run in the Senate she had been the wife of a President for 8 and 12 years as Governor of Arkansas. This doesn't prove anything and sure we share with our spouses about our jobs but that doesn't make them gain experience. Before that she was a lawyer and her only claim during her husbands tenure which was Health Care was a failure. So again 35 years keeps being mentioned but I don't see it. All I see is her Husband, Albright and all the old Clinton Guard by her side so for someone who says she is her own person her fall back is always to the success of her husband.
I have not made up my mind on who I'm voting for but that 35 years thing after researching is not true. My opinion.
Posted by: robinson.santiago January 7, 2008 12:13 AM
Racists like genadoll who claim that their "age group" is not ready to vote for Obama better be prepared to know that a much younger and more tolerant "age group" is preparing to replace a generation that proved it no longer had any shame in voting by reelecting Bush unequivocally. I am sorry that black people scare you so much unfortunately we now must sieze the country away from such living anachronisms as yourself. And we'll be "hip-hopping" the whole way, haha!
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:16 AM
Some have commented on the race aspect. It's not just a race thing, it's what the Republicans will do with this particular black man.
They're passing around a link to his church web site now on the internet, and if the MSM prints what that web site says, you can kiss the Democrats presidential hopes goodbye.
Someone posted the basics of it in the ABC blog similar to this one, so it's getting some air already.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:17 AM
what happens when Democrats wake up and realize that Barack Obama has never been in a major contested election. He won election to the Senate only after the Chicago Tribune knocked his opponent out of the race. A century ago Democrats had a great orator for a candidate, but William Jennings Bryan became a 3 time loser as a presidential candidate.
Only one Democrat has defeated a Republican without first serving as a governor or inheriting the presidency after the death or a president Barack Obama is no John F. Kennedy and his opponent won't be an incumbent vice president (only two of them have won in the last 200 years).
Obama is the best thing Republicans have going for him. His nomination could make it possible for Michael Bloomberg to become the first minor party candidate to win a presidential election since Lincoln.
Posted by: jalexson0 January 7, 2008 12:19 AM
Oh and by the way if we have the Andrew Jacksons rolling in their graves we must be doing something right...
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:19 AM
"But I would sure as heck vote for her over Huckabee et al."
Yeah, but I think they were saying McCain, not any Republican, and certainly not Huckabee.
McCain isn't generally thought of as possible to win the Republican nomination. He's too sensible.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:23 AM
Looking at these comments, I fear I am in the minority, but I am a lifelong Democrat who, like a couple others, sees a lack of specifics and a lack of experience with Obama. The partisan Republican party will not disappear this next election, nor will the conservative elements of the Democratic party, and I have no confidence he will be able to effectively deal with these elements in DC, particularly if the Dems don't get a filibuster proof 60 votes in the Senate.
I feel he has not been fully vetted by a critical press, and I hope that takes place over the next few weeks. Unlike some of you, I hope Clinton and Edwards stay in the race. I would have no problem going to the convention without a cler nominee.
Posted by: pctheisinger January 7, 2008 12:24 AM
Hillary held her own in the debate and proved that she is a fighter and will not be bullied. The White House is no place for sissies or pretty boys. The President needs to be a fighter, I'll put Hillary up against any world leader or threat that arises and know that she will not back down!
Posted by: jimscorner January 7, 2008 12:24 AM
About Clinton's "experience," she was a director of Wal-Mart during her husband's governorship of Arkansas. How can unions support a former director of one of the most anti-union companies on the planet, Wal-Mart? How could she have squared whatever principles she has to serving Wal-Mart?
Posted by: jabplus January 7, 2008 12:27 AM
The genadoll post above is racist crap, but God help us, it's just a tiny sampling of what;s to come throughout 2008 if Obama gets the nomination.
I'd almost say yeah go for Obama just because of those Republican racists but we would lose the presidential election.
At this point I guess I'm disgusted to have to draw such a conclusion. I would like to think the majority are better than that, and I truly hope we are.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:29 AM
deadondres --
I believe you said "I can think of another president that built his reputation in the Illinois state legislature and never served as a US Congressman before becoming president."
Abraham Lincoln served one term in the House of Representatives. I believe it was at the start of the Mexican-American War and he voted against it.
Posted by: pctheisinger January 7, 2008 12:29 AM
What is so tiresome about Hillary is the constant me, I, me, I. Obama soars in like an eagle and it's all about WE. Hillary does'nt get it and never will.
Posted by: diabloquick.wa January 7, 2008 12:30 AM
Ah, pctheisinger after further research I see that you're right. So only one term (although it seems he dropped out of politics for a while). So only one term in Congress, an even greater correlation. I appreciate the correction.
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 12:35 AM
I have no problem with Hillary, Obama, and Edwards splitting the vote well into the primaries. Everyone in the country needs to be heard.
rd
Posted by: ralphdaugherty January 7, 2008 12:38 AM
I would rather lose with Obama than to win with Clinton. The rest of you need to get over it. GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER?
Posted by: rbaile January 7, 2008 12:41 AM
No, genadoll. God help YOU.
Posted by: tommit January 7, 2008 12:42 AM
RE: HRC
Unfortunately, sometimes become become like their enemies; HRC sounds more and more like the Republicans who attacked her ... negative, cynical, and petty
Posted by: davisny January 7, 2008 12:54 AM
Hey, I hate to sound like "What would Obama do" but those of us who support him should follow his example in being respectful and positive in our comments, not taunting or belittling. Read what he's written, listen to him speak...he is a great man and could lead and inspire our nation to be so much better than it is now.
Posted by: pjwright January 7, 2008 01:30 AM
Pjwright although I agree that taunting or belittling is hardly constructive, I can't buy into your WWOD philosophy. His optimism is uplifting to be sure, but the man is not Gandhi. I respect the man, he his upstanding surely but until he puts nonviolence at the forefront of his agenda I won't follow him unquestioningly. He hasn't really said anything that makes him any more decent or inspiring than many brave individuals I interact with in my everyday life. Politically the last three standing all strike me as largely the same, if we wanted something different we would have given figures such as Paul and Kucinich more of a chance. I mean, call me a simpleton but I really can't understand where they disagree on any major issue. What makes Obama different is he gives us the opportunity to quit considering ourselves "masses" that need to be lead by "leaders" such as a Clinton or Edwards - we can choose our own identity and shape our own destiny. It's an old notion but it's playing out in this election - power to the people! Let's not forget that we are capable of many things on our own, if we choose to actively participate in the institutions that guide our lives and are not content to passively allow our world to develop around us.
That being said Obama's idealism, I hope, will give rise to greater accomplishments and compromises. Electing the guy will not solve the tremendous problems facing our world that myself and all other young people I know obsess about on a daily basis. Eventually we're going to have to take a hard look at our habits and lifestyles and accept that they are not sustainable. However generating solidarity behind common values to work together to solve these problems is the first step and Obama sincerely proposes and embodies at least this much.
Posted by: deadondres January 7, 2008 02:12 AM
I cut some of the boring comments out (not my own of course). Sorry about the pink links, if you see them it might be 'cause I'm using Explorer right now 'cause Firefox won't start. Or is that what it always does?
It's aweful how the "qualifications" arguement masks such racist and sexist assumptions. The Hillary and Obama cadres ought to drop that line of reasoning. Oh well gotta sleep now...
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